The iPhone has more screens! The MacBook has a touchscreen! The HomeView does CarPlay apps! For the first time in a long time, Apple is in a period of unabashed gadget experimentation, and while the final results aren’t always perfect, it’s fun to watch the most successful product maker try some new things again. Even when, in this case, “trying” amounts to just slapping a touch panel on a lovely new MacBook Pro — just to see if you might use it.

On this episode of The Vergecast, David and Nilay debate the merits of a touchscreen laptop, Nilay explains why he is absolutely positively going to buy the new MacBook Pro with PROLED XDR Display, and David asks, as always, could this have been an iPad?