We’ve heard the story so many times, that this is the time that Windows on Arm will work and we’ll get a revolution in powerful, portable, long-lasting PCs. For a decade, the story has been fiction. This time, though… I don’t know. It sort of seems real.

After that, Kylie Robison comes on the show to talk about all things OpenAI. That lively, fun, flirty GPT-4o demo is still on our minds — is this the AI future we’re looking for? And what’s going to happen to Sky, the voice everyone heard and immediately said sounded like Scarlett Johansson, now that ScarJo herself has taken issue with it? The kind of company OpenAI wants to be, and the kinds of products it wants to build, seem hugely important in the next phase of the tech industry.

Finally, we take a question from the Vergecast Hotline about the difference between a touchscreen MacBook — which might happen — and a Mac-like iPad — which probably won’t. It’s about hardware and software, but mostly, it’s about business models. But hey, Apple, can we at least get better browsers?

If you want to know more about everything we discuss in this episode, here are some links to get you started, beginning with Microsoft: