Sony’s new PlayStation 5 Pro appears to be very powerful. But at $700 — plus another $80 if you want to buy the disc drive accessory, since the console itself doesn’t have one — a lot of gamers have been left wondering exactly how powerful it needs to be in order to justify the cost.

On this episode of The Vergecast, we try and figure out why the PS5 Pro has the specs and price tag it does, and what this new console might tell us about the overall state of the gaming business. Around the same time as Sony’s announcement, Microsoft said it was laying off another 650 Xbox employees — these are two companies with very different ideas about the same business, and it’s not always obvious who’s right.

After we finish with our PS5 Pro chat, we talk about the other gadget news of the week. We talk a bit about the reaction to Monday’s Apple event, after briefly forgetting that it happened this week at all. We discuss Huawei’s Mate XT, the triple-folding smartphone that excited people in all the ways the iPhone 16 didn’t. We get very excited about the multi-window future of Android. And we consider two simultaneous Google stories: the excellent Pixel Watch 3, and the potentially company-shaking ad tech trial. Google is winning, Google is in peril, Google as ever continues to Google.

If you want to know more about everything we discuss in this episode, here are some links to get you started, beginning with the PS5 Pro:

And in other gadget news:

And in the lightning round: